This time we bring you a clash between two fat burners from the same manufacturer- Legion Forge vs Legion Pheonix. Find out who wins this duel and who takes the title of a better fat burner. That said, let’s start with the review!
For those in a hurry, here is a quick summary;
Legion Forge vs Pheonix Summary
Both Forge and Pheonix have some risky ingredients, which ruins the impression. In our opinion, it’s always better to stick to safe supplements than to put yourself at risk of potential side effects.
Besides that, Legion Phonex’s and Forge’s formulas are decent, but far from impressive. A lot of ingredients have mixed results in the studies, so the ingredient choice could be better. Overall, as fat burners, Forge and Pheonix perform pretty averagely. However, we think Forge has a slight edge because it is more cost-effective and for the same money it comes with 50% more servings than Pheonix. As such, Legion Forge takes the win in this duel.
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Company and Product Overview
However, their approach is slightly different. For example, Pheonix is a more “standard” fat burner pill with benefits such as:
- Faster fat loss
- Increased metabolic rate
- Appetite suppression
On the other hand, Forge is a pre-workout fat burner designed not only to boost your weight loss but also:
- Burn stubborn fat
- Maintain lean muscle mass
- Improve mental sharpness and focus for exercise
So, the big question is, which one is better – Pheonix or Forge? In order to find out, we need to take a closer look at their formulas and what they have to offer.
The first thing you may notice is that Legion Pheonix has notably more ingredients than Forge. However, does more automatically mean better? We are going to deep dive into each ingredient, so stick with the review to find out!
Legion Forge Ingredients
Calcium β-Hydroxy β-Methyl butyrate (HMB)
HMB is a molecule that has an anti-catabolic effect and in theory, can help reduce muscle breakdown during periods of lower calorie intake (diets) or increased physical activity.
HMB seems particularly effective for reducing muscle loss in conditions that accelerate atrophy, such as bed rest, AIDS, or cachexia.
However, so far only a few studies have been done on athletes and people who are on a calorie-restricted diet. HMB’s benefit of helping you retain lean muscle mass while also cutting weight at the same time works only in theory.
Citicoline is a compound with nootropic properties. In other words, it enhances cognitive performance and boosts memory. It is also known as CDP-choline.
Since Legion Forge doesn’t contain any caffeine, citicoline serves to replace its role. However, unlike caffeine, citicoline has no potential side effects.
Yohimbine is a compound with a strong stimulatory effect that also has good fat-burning properties. However, its effectiveness comes with a dear cost – it has negative side effects. It may cause anxiety, but worse, it can negatively interact with other pharmaceuticals. People with higher body weight should be especially careful because high dosages may cause cardiovascular issues.
That said, we recommend caution.
The big issue with yohimbine is that the dosages in supplements may sometimes exceed 25-150% of the dose listed on the label. This may not be the case with Legion Forge, but the manufacturers still advise you to start with smaller dosages first to see how you respond to the Forge.
Also, it’s important to note is that the fat-burning properties of yohimbine can be negated if consumed with food. Therefore, it’s best to take it on an empty stomach.
Legion Pheonix Ingredients
In addition to fat burn formula, Legion Phoenix contains vitamin B6, B12, & Iodine. Although they have health benefits, we are still more interested in what Pheonix has to offer in terms of weight loss. So below, we focused solely on these compounds.
Caralluma fimbriata Extract
Caralluma Fimbriata is a form of edible cactus that was traditionally used as an appetite suppressant. The research done on Caralluma Fimbriata is still preliminary, but the results seem to be in line with the claimed benefits.
Coleus forskohlii Extract
Coleus forskohlii is a plant that contains an active compound called Forskolin, which increases the levels of cAMP molecules in the body.
cAMP signals cells and certain enzymes to increase fat breakdown for energy, so in theory, Forskolin can enhance your fat loss. Also, it may improve the effectiveness of other fat-burning compounds.
Caffeine is the main active compound in coffee and has a strong stimulatory effect. It not only enhances physical and mental performance but also has a thermogenic effect and can help you curb food cravings.
As already stated, Legion Pheonix comes in two versions – the first one being the stim-free version without caffeine, and the second one with the caffeine. That said, the formula slightly differs between those two, so depending on the version, caffeine may or may not be on the ingredient list.
Mucuna Pruriens Extract
Mucuna Pruriens, also known as Velvet Bean, is a source of a molecule called L-DOPA. L-DOPA is a precursor of dopamine and is commonly used to treat Parkinson’s disease and reduce its symptoms.
It raises dopamine levels, so following that logic, L-DOPA may positively influence your mood.
Griffonia simplicifolia Extract
Griffonia simplicifolia is a woody plant that contains 5-HTP, a compound your brain uses for serotonin production. It also has an anxiety-reducing effect and works as an appetite suppressant.
Black Ginger Extract
Although Black Ginger is darker than traditional Ginger, they have a lot of commonalities. They both have anti-inflammatory effects and protect from oxidative stress. However, although Black ginger gets the attribute of boosting weight loss, for now, these claims are not proven.
Grains of Paradise Seeds
Grains of Paradise is a spice very similar to Ginger, with which it shares many bioactive compounds. It shows some effect for fat-mass control, but the results are not all too remarkable. For example, the human study that confirms its effect on metabolic rate, also required the individuals to be exposed to cold and to contain brown fat tissue – which naturally leads to faster weight loss, even without the supplement.
Laminaria japonica Aresch Extract
Laminaria japonica Aresch is a seaweed that contains phlorotannins, compounds that may be able to inhibit the absorption of starch and fats. However, these claims are unreliable to the point where some studies reported even the opposite effects.
That said, more research is needed to determine the practical effect of this seaweed and whether its supplementation is in any way beneficial.
How to Take Them
When you start taking Forge, take smaller dosages first. In the beginning, the manufacturer recommends taking one (1) capsule per 50 pounds of body weight. If you tolerate this well, you can gradually increase the dose until you reach one capsule per 25 pounds of body weight. However, do not exceed more than 8 capsules per day.
Since it is a pre-workout fat burner, you should take Legion Forge 15 minutes before training.
According to the manufacturer’s instructions, take three (3) Legion Phoenix capsules per day, preferably first thing in the morning.
Potential Side Effects
Depending on the version, Legion Phoenix may contain caffeine. People sensitive to stimulant may experience some minor side effects.
However, more serious side effects are possible for people who take anti-depressants, more precisely SSRIs. These individuals SHOULD NOT take Legion Pheonix.
It contains 5-HTP which can adversely interact with the medication and lead to serious side effects. If you are unsure whether this product is safe for you, it’s better to talk to your doctor first.
The most problematic ingredient in Legion Forge is Yohimbine HCL, aka the Yohimbe. It is an aggressive stimulant that may cause anxiety, insomnia, increased blood pressure, irregular heart rate, etc. If you are sensitive to stimulants, caution is advised.
Pricing & Other Factors to Consider
On the official Legion Athletics website, both Phoenix and Forge cost $39.99. Also, there is a monthly subscription option that allows you to save 10% and get them for $35.99.
Even though Forge and Pheonix have the same price, it’s important to note that Forge is slightly more cost-effective. It comes with a 45 servings (225 capsules), while Phenoix comes with only 30 servings (90 capsules).
Both Forge and Pheonix contain some risky ingredients, which is a huge downside. But overall, Legion Forge takes the win due to a more favorable price. For the same price, you get 50% more servings than in Pheonix.
But as far as the formulas go, they are both pretty average. Definitely not the worst option, but we expected more.
The dosages are mostly on point, but a lot of ingredients show mixed results in the studies and don’t seem like the most effective choice. Not to mention that some of the ingredients are possibly unsafe. All of that makes us unimpressed with Forge and Pheonix.
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